>> 谁提出立法公告废除死刑，就先将他斩下来。要扬名也不能这样乱来。
你就是这样对待不同意见者吗？真是比暴君还残暴，比独裁还独裁。开开心心，这样不行呀。你一开心，无辜者就被斩了。 你说你是不是要好好地反省一下。
关于挪威的事件，hu兄说“从网上看, 西方的民众也是对这种荒唐的制度怨声载道”。我也注意到这一点，同时，我也看到事件过去之后，大家冷静下来的时候，媒体更多的是反思，是讨论暴力事件的根源。（当然不是反思用死刑制度来避免类似的事情发生。）。就这件事情本身来说，多数支持处死Breivik 的观点主要是希望以此来告慰逝去者，而不是要用死刑来警示威慑未来的罪犯。 所以，尽管表现出的观点一样，支持处死Breivik，但是这些人与hu兄有着本质的不同。
开开心心所说的：要减少杀人个案发生，是要做好教育，素质教育至关重要；否则就算搬来十大酷刑，也无助减少罪案发生。这还是很有道理的。
最后，下面的一篇文章写得比较客观。也许值得一读
Norway Shooter Gets Off Easy
Mass murderer Anders Breivik won’t get the death penalty—or even life in prison. He may be out in just a few years. But Norwegians, like most Europeans, are convinced their more lenient system of justice works.
What punishment can Norwegian shooter Anders Behring Breivik expect if found guilty of the monstrous mass murder to which he already confessed?
Certainly not the death penalty, which Norway abolished in 1902. Not life imprisonment, which doesn’t exist in Norway either. The maximum sentence: 21 years. In extremely rare cases, if a judge finds a criminal unfit to return to society, an additional five years can be tacked on. On Tuesday state prosecutors were dusting off a special, never-used law that allows 30 years for “crimes against humanity,” which they could apply to the case. But normally, even murderers are fully eligible for parole after just a few years in prison.
In a country that considers the idea of punishment barbaric, and where the purpose of prison is to reacclimatize the prisoner to society, even jail doesn’t look so bad. Take Halden Prison, a maximum-security facility for murderers and rapists a few miles from the Swedish border. Completed last year for $280 million to house 250 inmates, its living quarters are bright and airy, with mint-green walls and IKEA-style furniture in varnished natural wood. Looking more like a college dorm than a maximum-security jail, each cell comes with a flat-screen TV, a private bath, and a large unbarred window. Inmates take cooking classes and work out with personal trainers; there’s a deluxe gym with a rock-climbing wall as well as a professional music studio for prisoners’ bands. Half the guards are women, which prison governor Are Hoidal says creates a less aggressive atmosphere. For the same reason, the guards don’t carry weapons and freely mingle with the inmates. Prisoners even fill out questionnaires to rate the level of service.
Most prisoners are eligible after only a few years to switch to a low-security “open prison,” with laxer rules, frequent furlough, and early parole.
Norwegians, like most Europeans, are convinced their more lenient system of justice works. After their stay in one of Norway’s deluxe prisons, only 20 percent of former convicts end up back in jail after two years, compared to nearly 60 percent in America. With only 71 prisoners per 100,000 inhabitants, Norway’s incarceration rate is less than a tenth of America’s, whose prison population of 743 per 100,000 is the highest in the world, just exceeding Russia’s, and many times that of any Western European country.
With Norwegians still grief-stricken and in shock, it’s too early for such a debate. But there’s unlikely to be one. Like many Europeans, most Norwegians take great pride in rejecting a justice system based on revenge and retribution, as hard as it is to apply that clement attitude to someone like Breivik.
Still, not everyone agrees that things should stay that way. In Germany, where the criminal-justice system is almost as lenient, there’s a growing backlash against such practices as early release of repeat offenders, or sending violent juvenile criminals on state-financed adventure junkets to exotic vacation locales.
What’s more, Europe’s liberal justice system isn’t as old and deeply ingrained as Europeans like to claim. For all of the French outrage at America’s rough treatment of criminals and suspects—including Dominique Strauss-Kahn, who would hardly have faced arrest in his home country, let alone made to do a denigrating perp walk—France was still guillotining criminals as late as 1977. As a dark-skinned immigrant, you might not want to see a French prison or migrant detention center from the inside. And Germany’s abolition of the death penalty in 1949, which today’s Germans see as proof they’ve overcome the brutality of the Nazi era, was the brainchild of a far-right politician who wanted to protect Nazi war criminals from execution by the Allied occupation authorities after World War II.
None of this is likely to matter to Norwegians, or to most Europeans now. “Even if a lot of people think 21 years is too little, in Scandinavian countries it’s deeply ingrained that criminals should have a second chance in society,” says Geir Ruud, the Norwegian editor of Ekstra Bladet, a Danish newspaper. “These are the values all those kids who were killed believed in, and the values Breivik fought against. If we let his crime change our societies, then he will have won.”
